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Old 12-05-2006, 11:27 AM   #1
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Wilderness breastfeeding for survival

Here's a heartwrenching story about a woman and her two young daughters saved after more than a week stranded in the Oregon wilderness. The woman's husband, who had gone for help, is still missing. The article mentions that the mother nursed both her daughters during the NINE DAYS they were lost. The girls are 4 years old and 7 months. I loved that nursing got a mention, though it should have been in the first paragraph. ("Is she breastfeeding?" was the first question in my mind when I saw a photo of the mom holding the baby girl.) So many people don't realize that nursing can mean the difference between life and death when the trappings of modern civilization fall away.

Please keep the father of this family in your thoughts and prayers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16036886/?GT1=8816

Search intensifies for missing Californian
Husband still missing after wife, 2 children are rescued from mountains

The Associated Press
Updated: 8:54 a.m. CT Dec 5, 2006

MERLIN, Ore. - Searchers intensified their efforts Tuesday to find a man missing for more than a week in a rugged, remote area of the snow-covered Oregon Coast Range as his wife and two young children, rescued just the day before, recovered in a hospital.

Trained dogs, horse patrols and a helicopter with heat-sensitive sensors were sent to join other helicopters, snowmobiles and foot patrols Tuesday for 35-year-old James Kim, of San Francisco. Trackers had followed his footprints until dark Monday night.

“They determined that he went over the side of the road into the Big Windy Creek drainage area and that’s when the two deputies from Jackson County went over the edge and they are tracking his footprints right now,” Josephine County Undersheriff Brian Anderson said Tuesday morning on CBS’ “The Early Show.”

Search crews faced challenges, State Police Lt. Gregg Hastings said on the CBS program.

“There are some cliffs they may have to go down to get down to the creek. And there’s still snow and ice, cold temperature, but they’ve been out all night and they plan to be out all day. And their hope is to find him today,” Hastings said.

Kim, a senior editor for CNET Networks, had left his wife and two young children in their frozen, snowbound car and set off into the wilderness to seek help, wearing only tennis shoes, a sweater and a jacket.

Overnight temperatures in the region have been in the mid 20s to mid 30s. The National Weather Service predicted patchy fog in the valleys during the night with light wind.

A helicopter crew spotted his wife, Kati Kim, 30, waving an umbrella Monday afternoon. She and her daughters Penelope, 4, and Sabine, 7 months, were flown to a hospital in Grants Pass and were in good condition.

“We’re relieved and we had some moments of joy,” Kati Kim’s father, Dr. Phil Fleming, said on “The Early Show.” “At this time I can only think and worry about the safety of my son-in-law, and from all I’ve heard he just is a heroic father. All my thoughts are with him and with the teams and all the people out searching for him.”

The family said James Kim left the car stuck in the snow in southwestern Oregon at about 7:45 a.m. Saturday and walked back the way they had come to look for help, saying he would return by 1 p.m. if he found none.

His family said he had outdoor experience, and State Police Lt. Doug Ladd said there was “a very reasonable chance” that he is still alive. The San Francisco family reported that he had eaten berries in the area, but they weren’t sure if they were poisonous.

‘In remarkable shape’
Before he left, the four huddled together as a family for warmth and ran the car at night until they ran out of gas. Officials said some of the tires were burned as signal fires in a vain attempt to attract attention. Kati Kim nursed both children while they were lost.

“They did a good job. They are in remarkable shape for spending nine days out in the wilderness in this type weather conditions,” Anderson said.

Searchers said the key to their discovery was a “ping” signal from the Kims’ cell phone, even though the remote region is generally out of cell phone range.

The family saw friends in Portland on Nov. 25 and then headed toward home after a Thanksgiving trip to the Pacific Northwest. They were last spotted at a restaurant that same day, then never arrived at a lodge where they had reservations.

Authorities combed highways and byways using snow machines and helicopters, and checked hotels and resorts along the south coast.

State Police Lt. Gregg Hastings said Kati Kim told a detective the family intended to take Oregon 42, the usual route from Interstate 5 to the south Oregon coast, but they missed the turnoff, found Bear Camp Road on the map and decided to take it instead of turning back. Their car was 15 miles from Bear Camp Road when found.

The complicated network of roads in the area is commonly used by whitewater rafters on the Rogue River or as shortcuts to Gold Beach in the summer, but the roads are not plowed in winter and can be impassable.

‘Cautiously optimistic’
As a senior editor for CNET in San Francisco, James Kim covers digital audio and co-hosts a weekly video podcast for the Crave gadgets blog on CNET.

The couple owns two boutiques in San Francisco — Doe, a clothing store on lower Haight Street, and the Church Street Apothecary in Noe Valley, which sells baby goods and skin care products.

Friends and co-workers in San Francisco celebrated the news of the rescue Monday.

“We are extremely relieved that they have found Kati and the kids,” said Sarah Cain, spokeswoman for CNET Networks Inc. “We are cautiously optimistic and hopeful that it will bring more good news about James and his family.”

Boutique employee Sarah Gion called Kati Kim “a fighter, especially where her two daughters were concerned.”

“If anyone could make it through nine days in the wilderness, it would be Kati,” Gion said. “We have good faith that they’ll find James, too. We’re all ecstatic, even though we’re still waiting.”

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Old 12-05-2006, 11:35 AM   #2
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My cleaning lady JUST told me this story this morning! Like I said, "It's the perfect food!" I am just so amazed that she was able to nurse for so long...if I even skipped a meal when I was bfing my kiddos, my milk suffered at the next feeding....this is what I call a miracle. My ing are with the family and the dad! Thanks for posting the story!
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So many people don't realize that nursing can mean the difference between life and death when the trappings of modern civilization fall away.
This is what distressed me so much when the devastating infant/child mortality rates kept rising during the Hurricane Katrina tragedy. Knowing that the lives of so many little ones could have been saved had their mothers been breastfeeding just shook me.
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Please keep the father of this family in your thoughts and prayers.
I hope he is able to safely reunite with his family.
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Oh my gosh, this is so sad.. I hope they find the father soon, and amaizing how that mother survived for nine days bf with probably no food..
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[quote=AussieDoula]This is what distressed me so much when the devastating infant/child mortality rates kept rising during the Hurricane Katrina tragedy. Knowing that the lives of so many little ones could have been saved had their mothers been breastfeeding just shook me.
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I also read a story several years ago about a family whose boat wrecked in a storm and they were left afloat for several days on *something* (don't remember what) and the mother was a nursing mother and kept the whole family alive by giving all of them breastmilk. It was at least 2 kids, maybe 3 and the husband and herself. Pretty awesome stuff!
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Grant's Pass is about 3 hours from us. We have been following this story closely. I hope, hope, hope Dad is okay.
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I just read this story earlier in the day. WoW! So glad to hear of the mom breastfeeding for her family but praying for dad's safe return.
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i just saw this a few minutes ago, amazing survival story
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I also read a story several years ago about a family whose boat wrecked in a storm and they were left afloat for several days on *something* (don't remember what) and the mother was a nursing mother and kept the whole family alive by giving all of them breastmilk. It was at least 2 kids, maybe 3 and the husband and herself. Pretty awesome stuff!
Wow, thats amazing. It would suck big time to have water everywhere and be not able to drink and die of dehydration.
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I saw this story on the news yesterday morning and when I heard them mention the breastfeeding I was like "yes"!! Maybe this will get people to stand up and recognize it for the miracle that it is and can be in emergency situations! I just hope and pray they find the dad alive!!
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I pulled the thread below from the "Pregnancy and Birth" forum because I don't know how to show a link to a thread. (Guess I need to figure out how to maneuver on alldoulas.com!

HamiltonBirthRevolution posted this and it has a link to some very interesting blogging with information about the mom crediting breastfeeding with saving the kids...

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I don't know if you've all been following the story of the Kim's, who set out on a roadtrip in the Pacific Northwest to San Francisco and were due to arrive in SF on Monday but went missing.

The wife and two children (4 and 7m) have been found alive. The husband, CNET editor James Kim is still missing after having left their vehicle on Saturday to search for help.

Most remarkable about the entire thing is that, with little to no extra nutrition, Kati Kim nursed both her children all week while they were lost in the wilderness, able to feed them and keep them healthy.

You can read more about it here: http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/12/...-of-lost-kids/
I'm really overwhelmed by the news of the mother and children's recovery and survival instincts.
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OK...sorry. That link (in previous post) is going to take you nowhere. i didn't test it! Try this:.....

http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/12/...-of-lost-kids/
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Lightbulb

Tragically, James Kim died before rescuers located him. His body was reached some time before noon today. It's not totally clear from what I've read, but it sounds as if his body was discovered only a few miles from the family's car.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070337/?GT=8816

There are several Web sites accepting posts for condolences for the Kim family. The first one below also provides information for anyone wishing to make a donation to the family. James' company CNet News, also will accept packages for Kati and the girls.

Does anybody have any ideas for something the alldoulas.com community could do as a group?


http://jamesandkati.com/

http://news.com.com/2009-12-6141426.html

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi.../06/17456.aspx
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