Do you carry...

motherwise · 12-06-2006, 01:13 PM

Do you carry homeopathics or herbs with you to births? What kind, and what are they used for? Have you ever used them? With what result?

Acacia · 12-06-2006, 01:34 PM

I will not carry anything that could be seen as "medical".I never tell a woman to use a certain herb without first checking with her midwife or doctor I will not bring those herbs with me to the birth because that in my opinion would be seen as being outside my scope of practice. If I were a liscensed herbalist etc then I think it would be okay.

RosyDoula · 12-06-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by motherwise

Do you carry homeopathics or herbs with you to births? What kind, and what are they used for? Have you ever used them? With what result?

I only use postpartum herbs. I bring cramp bark tincture for afterpains and an herbal mixture to put in the crock pot I bring with me for warm washcloths during crowning to ease perineal pain.

motherwise · 12-06-2006, 02:06 PM

I always bring arnica for after the birth

I also make a laborade that I use during births that has RRL, nettle, and honey among other things. It's great for during the birth!

earthgirl · 12-06-2006, 04:06 PM

We need to be careful, even offering herbs (even teas)to Moms could be constured as practicing medicine. That said , I do not bring anything with me for Mom, but I take Bach's rescue remedy (flower essences) for myself to calm my nerves sometimes.

motherwise · 12-06-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by earthgirl

We need to be careful, even offering herbs (even teas)to Moms could be constured as practicing medicine. That said , I do not bring anything with me for Mom, but I take Bach's rescue remedy (flower essences) for myself to calm my nerves sometimes.

Not worried about it

I give my moms herbs to research on their own, or loan them Susun Weeds book...arnica is homeopathic-no possible harm so no liability.

doula Michele · 12-06-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Acacia

I will not carry anything that could be seen as "medical".I never tell a woman to use a certain herb without first checking with her midwife or doctor I will not bring those herbs with me to the birth because that in my opinion would be seen as being outside my scope of practice. If I were a liscensed herbalist etc then I think it would be okay.

Totally agree...that is me too.

syncreo · 12-06-2006, 09:29 PM

Hi,
No, I would see this being out of my scope of practise but I would refer to a great naturopath who would suggest some herbs and homeopathics for them to bring to their birth.

sumama · 12-07-2006, 08:14 AM

Nope, I don't plan on it, but I have loaned out some herbal pregnancy books to my clients and hope that they'll bring some for themselves if they choose to.

doula Michele · 12-07-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by motherwise

Not worried about it

I give my moms herbs to research on their own, or loan them Susun Weeds book...arnica is homeopathic-no possible harm so no liability.

And i talked to a homoepathic Dr and he said I could not give these to or have a client take them. It would be up to a mom to talk to a Dr and get them herself.

Caroline · 12-07-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by syncreo

Hi,
No, I would see this being out of my scope of practise but I would refer to a great naturopath who would suggest some herbs and homeopathics for them to bring to their birth.

Neshama · 12-07-2006, 08:49 PM

Motherwise...
thanks for asking that question I was wondering it too..

DL · 12-07-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Acacia

I will not carry anything that could be seen as "medical".I never tell a woman to use a certain herb without first checking with her midwife or doctor I will not bring those herbs with me to the birth because that in my opinion would be seen as being outside my scope of practice. If I were a liscensed herbalist etc then I think it would be okay.

I'm on this side of the fence.

Jilian · 12-19-2006, 08:42 PM

I sometimes bring rescue remedy with me, but I haven't let a mom use it yet. I do reccomend after ease tincture to moms for afterbirth pains but tell them to check with their MW/OB before taking it.

1stimestar · 12-19-2006, 11:04 PM

All it would take is one person to have a reaction, even a very uncommon one, and tell the doctor that their doula gave or even recomended it to them to make a whole lotta problems. There are NO herbs or supplements that are garunteed to cause no possible harm. You can always say "some women find herb X to be helpful in this situation. Why don't you call your dr./pharmacist/allopathic/midwife, etc and ask what she thinks about using it." As a doula you don't know their complete medical history, heck sometimes they don't even know.

Potential Dangers

Allergies

People should avoid arnica if they have a known allergy to arnica or any member of the Asteraceae or Compositae plant families. Individuals who are allergic to sunflowers or marigolds may also be allergic to arnica. Signs of allergy may include rash, itching or shortness of breath.

Side Effects

Arnica has been well tolerated in studies when used in very diluted (homeopathic) doses for up to two weeks under the supervision of a qualified health care professional. However, at high doses, arnica may lead to serious side effects and death. Some people may experience stomach discomfort, including nausea and vomiting. Liver and kidney damage has also been reported. Organ failure may occur from high doses. Skin rashes, eczema or lesions in the mouth may occur. These side effects may be the result of arnica allergies. It is best to avoid using topical arnica on open wounds or near the eyes and mouth. There is a report of mouth ulcers caused by a mouthwash containing arnica and other ingredients.

Other side effects may include muscle weakness, organ damage, coma and death. Irregular heart rhythms, rapid heartbeat, high blood pressure or failure of the heart to beat may occur when arnica is taken by mouth, especially in large doses. In theory, arnica may increase the risk of bleeding. If you have diabetes or use anticoagulants (blood thinners) or antiplatelet drugs and are considering using arnica, discuss this with a health care professional. It may be necessary to stop taking arnica before some surgeries.

Pregnancy And Breast-Feeding

Arnica cannot be recommended during pregnancy and breast-feeding because of the risk of birth defects or spontaneous abortion.

Interactions

Interactions with drugs, supplements and other herbs have not been thoroughly studied. The interactions listed below have been reported in scientific publications. If you are taking prescription drugs, speak with a health care professional or pharmacist before using herbs or dietary supplements.

Interactions With Drugs

In theory, arnica may increase the risk of bleeding when used with anticoagulants (blood thinners) or antiplatelet drugs. Examples include warfarin (Coumadin), heparin and clopidogrel (Plavix). Some pain relievers may also increase the risk of bleeding if used with arnica. Examples include aspirin, ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil) and naproxen (Naprosyn, Aleve, Anaprox). Use of arnica with other pain-relieving medications may increase the analgesic effects. It is possible that arnica may decrease the effectiveness of drugs used to lower blood pressure. Theoretically, arnica may cause a decrease in the protein binding of drugs that are highly protein bound.

Interactions With Herbs And Dietary Supplements

In theory, arnica may increase the risk of bleeding when taken with products such as Ginkgo biloba and garlic (Allium sativum). Use of arnica with other pain-relieving agents may increase the analgesic effects.

Dosing

The doses listed below are based on scientific research, publications or traditional use. Because most herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly studied or monitored, safety and effectiveness may not be proven. Brands may be made differently, with variable ingredients even within the same brand. Combination products often contain small amounts of each ingredient and may not be effective. Appropriate dosing should be discussed with a health care professional before starting therapy; always read the recommendations on a product's label. The dosing for unproven uses should be approached cautiously, because scientific information is limited in these areas.

Arnica is toxic when taken by mouth unless diluted in homeopathic preparations. Homeopathic preparations are initially diluted 1:10 or 1:100. Serial dilutions are continued until desired concentrations are achieved. When a 1:10 dilution is diluted 30 times, it is said to be a 30X or 30D potency. When a 1:100 dilution is diluted 30 times, it is referred to as a 30C potency. There are no standard or well-studied doses of arnica, and many different doses are used traditionally.

Adults (Aged 18 Or Older)

Oral use: To treat diabetic eye damage, three pearls of 5C potency have been used three times daily for three to six months. For pain relief after surgery, two doses of a 30C preparation have been taken 24 hours after surgery, or one tablet of 2C has been taken by mouth twice daily. After mouth surgery, three tablets of 30D potency are taken every 15 minutes for the first three hours. Then three tablets per hour until bedtime have been used. The next day, three tablets, followed by three more tablets three hours later, then nine tablets daily for the next five days have been used. For hysterectomy, two 30C-potency tablets taken 24 hours before surgery and three tablets taken by mouth daily for five days afterwards have been used. A dose used after stroke is one tablet (30C potency) dissolved under the tongue every two hours for six doses. When used to treat delayed onset of muscle soreness after exercise, one regimen is one tablet of 30C potency taken three times daily beginning 24 hours before exercise and continued until muscles feel less sore. For hematomas, one tablet (5C) has been dissolved under the tongue before and after surgery.

Ointment/lotion: Ointment of 1X or 6C dilution has been applied to sore areas. It has been suggested that ointments should not consist of more than 20 percent to 25 percent arnica tincture or 15 percent arnica oil. This preparation has been applied two to three times daily to sore areas. A lotion consisting of a 1:5 tincture diluted five times with water has been applied two to three times daily.

Children (Younger Than 18)

There are not enough scientific data to recommend arnica for use in children, and arnica is not recommended because of potential side effects.

Summary

Arnica in very diluted (homeopathic) doses has been suggested as a treatment for many conditions. However, there is not enough scientific evidence to support the use of arnica for any medical condition. Arnica is toxic and may cause death if used at greater-than-recommended homeopathic dosages. It should be avoided in pregnant or breast-feeding women and in children. Arnica may increase the risk of bleeding. Safety of use beyond two weeks has not been thoroughly studied. Consult a health care professional immediately if you have any side effects.

The information in this monograph was prepared by the professional staff at Natural Standard, based on thorough systematic review of scientific evidence. The material was reviewed by the Faculty of the Harvard Medical School with final editing approved by Natural Standard.